Nederlands bedrijf discrimeert Poolse Lowlands bezoekers

Meer dan tien Polen die statiegeldbekers verzamelden zijn vrijdag van het Lowlands festivalterrein gestuurd zonder hun persoonlijke bezittingen. Medewerkers van beveiligingsbedrijf "The Security Company" ( http://www.tscnl.nl/), gespecialiseerd in het beveiligen van evenementen, gooiden deze mensen van het terrein omdat ze teveel bekers verzamelden. De festivalorganisatoren waren geschokt. Ze legden uit dat er geen limiet is op het verzamelen van bekers. Beveiligingsmedewerkers gaven de festivalorganisatie als reden dat ze deze mensen hadden weggestuurd, omdat ze zich aggressief gedroegen. Meer dan tien Polen die statiegeldbekers verzamelden zijn vrijdag van het Lowlands festivalterrein gestuurd zonder hun persoonlijke bezittingen. Medewerkers van beveiligingsbedrijf "The Security Company" ( http://www.tscnl.nl/), gespecialiseerd in het beveiligen van evenementen, gooiden deze mensen van het terrein omdat ze teveel bekers verzamelden. De festivalorganisatoren waren geschokt. Ze legden uit dat er geen limiet is op het verzamelen van bekers. Beveiligingsmedewerkers gaven de festivalorganisatie als reden dat ze deze mensen hadden weggestuurd, omdat ze zich aggressief gedroegen. Twee personen zijn in elkaar geslagen door de festivalbeveiliging, waarvan een hevig en bloedend. Hij werd naar een politiebureau in de buurt gebracht. Nadat ze met hem hadden gepraat heeft de politie besloten hem terug te brengen naar het festivalterrein en een onderzoek in te stellen. Een vrouw werd op de grond gelegd en door een mannelijke beveiliger gefouilleerd. Zij voelde zich geschonden. Beveiligingsmedewerkers verwijderden foto's met beschuldigend bewijsmateriaal van telefoons. Eén slachtoffer heeft een boete van 500 euro gekregen. Het is niet duidelijk waarom. Beveiligingsmedewerkers vroegen willekeurige bekerverzamelaars of ze Nederlander zijn. Een man die zijn Poolse identiteitsbewijs liet zien werd onmiddelijk van het terrein gestuurd. Een ooggetuige die vroeg wat er aan de hand was werd ook weggestuurd na het tonen van een Pools identiteitsbewijs, ondanks dat hij slechts twee bekers had verzameld. ---------------------------------------------- Dutch security company discriminates Polish Lowlands visitors More than ten Polish people collecting cups for their deposits have been kicked out from the Lowlands festival terrain on friday without their personal belongings. Employees of "The Security Company" ( http://www.tscnl.nl/), specialized in event security, threw these people out because they where collecting too many cups. The festival organisors were shocked. They stated that there is no limit on collecting cups. Security employees gave the festival organisation the reason these people where kicked out was because they were being aggressive. Two people were beaten by festival security, one person beaten up heavily and bleeding. He was taken to a nearby police station. After talking to him, the police decided to take him back to the festival terrain and start an investigation. One girl was put on the ground and searched by male security. She felt violated. Security guards deleted photo's from phones with incriminating evidence. One victim has received a fine for 500 euro's. It's not clear why. Security employees randomly asked people that were collecting cups if they where Dutch. A man showing his Polish ID was immediately expelled from the terrain. A witness that asked what was happening was also removed after showing Polish ID, despite having collected only two cups.

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ans - 21.08.2010 11:25 fotomateriaal? pers ingeseind?

Write email or call

Kosiarz - 21.08.2010 11:36 Please write email or call to organizers and security company. Below contacts: The Security Company: Bouwerij 30 1185 XX Amstelveen Postbus 8001 1180 LA Amstelveen Nederland email:  administratie@tscnl.nl Telefoon: 020 - 4 562 222 Fax: 020 - 4 562 200 Organizers: Mojo concerts Bel ons: 015-212 19 80 mail:  info@mojo.nl

about polish participants of Lowlands

nn - 21.08.2010 11:45 Those polish persons are not reach kids that came to Lowlands to have fun. They are anarchists and squatters that came all the way from different polish cities to the Netherlands. They are on Lowlands to collect coups in order to make some money for their life in Poland. They bought tickets in order to work safe on the festival. They work very hard around 8-10 hours each day.

???

nn - 21.08.2010 14:48 Who wrote this text above? and where does he or she has the information from? I also got kicked out from lowlands because of the same reason, but im not polish but indeed also not dutch. i was with this group and wanna now where this information comes from that the organisation of lowlands is shocked, we spoke with one of the organisators and he was obvious on the side of the security and told us that we have to leave immediatly the festivalarea. also i wanna know where the info comes from, that this one guy who got beaten up brutaly and afterwards arrested, is free now? i hope im mistaken but he told me on the telphone that he has to sit for at least 3 weeks. what happened there was unbelievable, i even had to go to toilet while the door was open and one women and two guys!! ( im female) stood in front of it and had fun. But i will not leave it like this and will find out the names from those who harmed us. and no we dont have any fotos cause they brutally tooken our phones away after they saw we made pix which we even almost didnt became back.

lowlands fest not for polish people

matt - 21.08.2010 15:09 its really important for my polish friends, to call to the office of this festival, and to the security, to stop this anti-polish attack. It`s for now a better way to pressure them. the arested person is still on police station at Lelystad with very heavy charges.

info - question

matol - 21.08.2010 15:20 info is from a fest, from people who spoke with some "organizer". if you in amsterdam, it will be benefit meeting about Rozbrat, and we can meet togeather.

mistake

nn - 21.08.2010 15:34 sorry , i wrote above that this guy has to sit for at least 3 weeks but i ment 3 days.

De festivalorganisatoren waren geschokt ?? XD

noname - 21.08.2010 16:54 Please do not provide false in formations. It was about 30 polish cup collectors had been capcherd by security guards all phones were taken to prevent taking pictures of security guys,they refused to show id or even tell the name of their company.. Also one dutch cup collector was capcherd but as soon as they find out his nationality they just let him go.. From all others(polish and one german) de bandjes were stolen (it took them about one month in poland to make money for lowlands the ticket. none of them broke any rule of the festival.Some were beatin up,one realy badly,he was refused to see a doctor for a long time. Girls were forced to pee in the toilet with an open door and bunch of security guys kept staring at her.. The organisators of lowlands had known those facts,only thing they had to say was we were not allowed at the festival area any more and threat us with 3 days in jail if we will come back.Organisators kept looking at us being pushed further from the main entrance. Now were gonna start the courtcase aginst TSC to make them face responsibility for that whats happend.and get refund for the stolen tickets.  noise4poor@yahoo.com E-Mail: noise4poor@yahoo.com

bekerrapers

nn - 22.08.2010 08:28 tot mijn verbazing blijkt dit een hele arbeidstak te zijn die mij niet eerder bekend was:  http://www.google.nl/search?q=bekerrapers als de security nou zakkenrollers of tentenstropers zou gaan zoeken, maar bekerrapers? op de fora blijkt dat de jongeren waarbij ik geen rijke ouders vermoed het wel prima vinden dat er bekerrapers zijn, lowlands is tenslotte waanzinnig duur. de lui die hun recycle beker over de schouder werpen hebben blijkbaar geld genoeg en vinden de bekerrapers vies, naar, ratten of een ander xenofoob pvv standpunt. tja deze opportunistische mensen werken hier op de overschotten de verwende kaaskoppen jeugd.

nl anarchist

nn - 22.08.2010 08:50 my dear anarchist comrades, what is anarchist about working on lowlands? you are earning money(=cups) that the rich dutch kids are throwing away. nothing against recylcing, but you are being employed by a festival where you have to pay (=ticket) to work. no workers rights at all. we need you on this side of the barricades! there are squatter festivals where you can help coorganise and enjoy, and if you need money there are anarachists with self-organised work that you can join. there are alternatives! of course in your actions against the malpractices of the security you will have the solidarity of us! come and connect!

festivals/partys

securitydude - 22.08.2010 12:14 the behavior of this security company and from the organisation is offcourse completly discusting but working as security on partys myself i know how dificult its going to be to get in an court any compensation/condemnation. on the festival grounds you dont have the same rights as on normal streets. By buying an ticket you promise to adhere too any rules the organisation comes up with including the right to being kicked out whenever it basicly pleases them. your only chance is if you base your complaint on discrimination but they will likely say that you where being agressive or drunk or sommething and they will get away with it. And if they have anywere in their rulez something vaguely over not allowing cupcollecting you are fucked. so play the discrimination card and play it well because its probably the only leg you have to stand on.

@ securitydude and ATTEMPT TO MURDER

nn - 22.08.2010 14:09 @ securitydude thanx for the info, i have a question, how does it work on festivals? can the organisation just change rules whenever and wherever they want? because it was nowhere standing ( for us visible) that ur only allowed to collect for example 50 cups or that ur only allowed to collect cups for maybe an hour or something. also we didnt get any warning that from now on there are different rules, can they then just arrest us immediatly? and even if it was written down but for us not visible and nobody warned us that there are this kind of rules can they just do what they did? and what are our rights then? For sure it was an act of discrimination because one polish guy was just asking , what is going on and he got also arrested , he didnt had any cups in his hands, he just wanted to know , why they arrested me. ATTEMPT TO MURDER, one guy of us is still in prison and we dunno when he will come out, his charges are very heavy, ATTEMPT TO MURDER this is totally insane cause the securityguys were actually almost murdering him. 10 big securities where holding him on the ground and beated him up with all their power. how can this be ? how are u able to murder somebody if 10 strong assholes are holding u down? the only thing he did was refusing to sit. we organized him a lawyer now and hope everything will turn out good for him.

..

.. - 22.08.2010 14:10 It is obviously nonsense to state that a security company can do whatever it pleases on the sole basis that by buying a ticket you impliedly agree to give effect to their orders. Any disproportionate conduct by the security firm (which assault clearly is) can be tested in court in a civil action. On the basis of the information in the original post, there is no need to take the hard-to-prove way of discrimination in this case. And no, these persons were not employed by Lowlands to collect cups! So hold your anarchistic horses, please, if you do not know what you are talking about. If polish people, or any people for that matter, decide to collect cups they do it on their own initiative.

rules

securitydude - 22.08.2010 15:16 The rules need to be short on the ticket, at the entrance and on the website. The complete rules need to be available when asked for it. Probably there is nothing in it (yet) about cup collecting but you can be sure there is about "not being allowed to be intoxicated" "being obligated to follow orders from personnel" and a few other very broad things where it will be very hard too proof from that you didn't breach them. Besides, with an festival this size the police is completely dependant on the cooperation of the security firm and work hand in glove with them wich mean that they will always side with them first. So yeah press charges both against the individual guards (they are legally very vulnerable for excessive violence charges) as against the company/organization but don't hold your breath expecting to win. Let your lawyer have a good look for cases where stadium stewards misbehaved against football fans, I know there where some cases won recently.

the guy in prison is my best friend!

Dennis - 22.08.2010 15:17 @everyone : the guy in prison is my best friend! I'm Dutch and he is Polish, we know eachother since 3 years now and close friends ever since. He is the sweetest person and would never do harm to anyone! Am sad to hear what has happened with him and think the security people are totally responsible for what they have done to him! They have no right to beat him up for such a reason, or any reason at all! They knew they were wrong at the scene already cause why else would they destroy all photos and film that was made of this? This would clearly proove that my friend did nothing and they were the guilty ones. I really hope this lawyer knows the law and will get him free with no consequences of any kind!

"Lowlands discrimineert, mishandelt en liegt"

Verbaasde Lezer - 22.08.2010 16:10 Schokkend als ik dit zo allemaal lees over dit escapistische rich-kids evenement. De kop dekt mijns inziens de ernstige lading niet genoeg. Dat beveiligingsbedrijf valt onder volledige verantwoordelijkheid van de Lowlands Festvial organisatie. Dus stel ik voor als nieuwskop: "Lowlands organisatie discrimineert, mishandelt en liegt"

@verbaasde lezer

Dennis - 22.08.2010 16:32 @verbaasde lezer and others : my best friend and the people there are collecting these cups 2 make a living and 2 earn money by working hard every day...as written above in another comment : what the rich people throw away as garbage is worth money, if you put time and efforts in this... I think that when a securitycompany/organisation is specifically looking for Polish people (the dutch could continue their work if i read it correct)that are collecting cups then it's obvious that discrimination is what happened here...How would this be if the people were from Maroc/Turkey/other country : it would be discrimination all over the news! But now it's 'just' a Polish person in their eyes...i am from Holland, born and raised, and know how most people in here think about the Polish community : very negative! Just remember one thing : everyone is equal, no matter what race or country they are from. This is what my friend would have said also cause he is a good person! If anyone has somehow captured anything on film of this they should use it 2 help my friend and get him free, cause he is innocent.

reports

nn - 22.08.2010 17:15 Yes, the cops are more likely to trust festival organizers more than you but if you build a strong case you're much more likely to pressure the cops (and the OM, which would file charges) into action. You don't have to file a report in the place where the felony took place. You can do it anywhere and thereby avoid reporting to cops who work with the festival organizers. You can file reports for theft (taking your cameras, possessions, etc), abuse and indeed discrimination. All these things are illegal, no matter what rules they write on a paper. I hope that all of you press charges against these bastards. I also hope you can get many testimonies from festival visitors. I guess there are enough of them willing to testify/report as witnesses if you can find them (even after the unnecessary insults made at them – yes, they are mostly white and middle class and want to have a good time but why is that bad? Surely there are much more heroic things to do than visiting a festival but there's really no need to criticize everyone who's not on the barricades 24/7). I think it's also definitely a good idea to get in touch with the festival organizers. Some may have applauded the security guards but there may be people who have an inch of decency. You can ask them for compensation directly and you can ask them not to hire the same company as they did now. You can always ask and see what they say. Both the festival organizers and the security guards are very vulnerable since they need a good reputation to go on having these sorts of gigs. If 30 people file complaints for absue, theft, discrimination and what more, they may definitely get very nervous. If you really want to dive into this, you can also ask artists performing at the festival to support your case and reach the media to make clear what happened to you. And you can of course take direct action against the fuckers that hurt you. In any case, your chances of getting some sort of justice will drastically increase invest a lot of time. I hope you have the energy and time to do that, even though I know most people have other things on their mind. In any case, I wish you good luck!

@nn

Dennis - 22.08.2010 17:54 i have used the 'rich people' words only 2 make people aware of something simple : each cup you throw away without realizing is worth money to others, not mean this directly at rich people or something... Yes! Everyone who witnessed this crime against my friend should come forward and do something with what they saw... I would like to see those big guys standing in court and explaining to a judge why they found it necessary to totally beat up my friend with the 10 of them! As i wrote before : if this had happened to people from other countries/races then it would already be all over the news...Therefore maybe it's a good option to go to the media and tv with this story if this is needed! If the truth comes out to the public in Holland, then it's only more bad commercials for this company and Lowlands, which they have now deserved.

Recover Deleted photo's from digital camera

nn - 22.08.2010 18:32 A website that gives simple instructions for retrieving lost photos. This is for the victims of the unacceptable discrimination that happened at Lowlands Festival. Hopefully you can retrieve photo's with incriminating evidence that will help and make your case stronger so that you can prosecute. Check out this website, I hope that it helps you.  http://www.ofzenandcomputing.com/zanswers/60

fence

nn - 22.08.2010 19:10 to clear one thing out, festival visitors will not be able to help us with testimonies, cause the security was bringing us to a place surrounded by fences and far away from the concertarea. Also at this place were no cameras installed. but we will ask the people who made photos to use this recovery programm. But i guess it will be not much people who actually made photos because as soon the security saw somebody wanting to make pix , they grapped it very, very fast.

@nn

Dennis - 22.08.2010 19:10 Thanx for this link! For making things a bit clear : i was not on the festival, but just at home and before i read the original newsmessage yesterday, i had no idea of him even being on Lowlands and only knew he was somewhere in Holland on festivals collecting cups. When i read the message i immediately knew he was involved in this, but only as of this morning i know how serious he is involved! I have just send a mail to the policestation where they are holding him to ask them for info on things cause would really like to know how things are at the moment, which i don't know...At this moment i don't even know if he still has my phonenumber cause it was only in his phone, which i have tried 2 call 4 times yesterday and send sms this morning (which got delivered) but have no idea where his phone even is at the moment... I care for my friend and don't let him down in this.

@everyone

Dennis - 22.08.2010 20:16 If anyone has new information about my friend or about this whole thing, then please post it on indymedia...At this moment i know nothing more then what is written on this site :( I would be thankful for this!

nl anarchist so lame

noname - 22.08.2010 20:29 thnx for telling us about diy festivals,we never heard about it. cup collectors were screwing lowlands budged thats why they were kicked out.Oranisators quickly calculated how much money gonna flow out from festival cuz of cup collectors thats why kicked them out.(even with their profit cant really feel it but can look at numbers thou).and some people still write organisators were shocked they were shocked. your anarchy ends with wall of your libary where u built your barricades. and i appreciate post of security dude,which is helpfull and makes most sense.thnx. E-Mail: noise4poor@yahoo.com

handig

nn - 22.08.2010 21:39 Hier  http://www.bureaugelijkebehandeling.nl/ het adres van bureau gelijke behandeling flevoland (oud antidiscriminatie bureau) zij hebben contacten en kunnen vast verder helpen.

filmpje over bekersrapen

link - 22.08.2010 21:53 Hier een linkje naar een item op nu.nl:  http://www.nu.nl/muziek/2317417/goedkoop-weekend-lowlands.html De organisatie legt keurig uit waarom ze het statiegeldsysteem hebben en er worden wat personen geinterviewd die al 300 euro bijeengeraapt hebben. Of de organisatie is in dit filmje een schijnheilig verhaaltje aan het vertellen of het is puur de ordedienst die polen discrimineert of misschien mensen die er niet zo net uitzien als je jongeren in het filmpje. (of de mensen die er uit werden gegooid en in elkaar werden getrimd waren achter de rug van mensen nog niet lege bekers aan het rapen. Uit de verhalen hierboven blijkt hier echter niets van. Ik wil trouwens niet zeggen dat je iemand er in dat geval wel uit zou mogen gooien, alleen kun je dan moeilijker hardmaken dat het om discriminatie ging.)

to the "nl anarchist" and about Mojo

no gods, no masters - 22.08.2010 22:01 I am afraid you know not enough about polish economic reality to say come and help on our squatters festivals and believe me some of those people are living in squats and they organized not only squatters festival, but different political activities (info evenings, direct actions, demonstrations, support for workers, Food not bombs etc.) These "polish" anarchists, squatters, punks and some of them are students in the same time came here in order to make some cash for daily bred ( in Poland is MORE DIFFICULT to earn for living then the Netherlands) , so If they are back in Poland they can use their time for political struggle. Other subject. Mojo organizer. Of course organizer is trying to pretend to be environment friendly, because is so important and cool to be eco-festival or eco-whatever. "Please collect your coups and you will get deposit cash back" they say, but they mean rich and ignorant festival participants will throw coups away and never bring them back...so organizers were probably counting most of deposit money as extra profit and when Mojo discovered coups collectors they did not like. Don't forget they are capitalists! Profit and money making is they high priority. Mojo made this festival to make money and not to share profit with coups collectors. People might wonder: what will happen with coups? Mojo hired cleaning company, so does not matter if cleaning company will clean festival terrain from perhaps 1000 coups or 20000 coups on Monday. Mojo pay them for cleaning anyway. Often capitalists use fascist (in this case security) to deal with "trouble makers".

Hot discussion also on polish media

mgriks(at)gmail.com - 23.08.2010 01:18 in polish = po polsku here = tutaj  http://cia.bzzz.net/holandia_przemoc_ochroniarzy_wobec_zagranicznych_uczestnikow_festiwalu E-Mail: mgriks(at)gmail.com Website: http://www.positi.blogspot.com

Capitalism

NNNN - 23.08.2010 02:59 I am shocked that everyone seems to be shocked that a big festival like Lowlands, organised by MOJO, acts like any other capitalist company that feels it's profits threatened. It's not even a question if the security guards had any choice. They are hired to do the dirty work the LL-office people cannot do themselves. I think it was very naive of the cup-collectors to think they were going to be allowed to do what they did. Just look at the RUISPAGINA reaction of Hans. That is the dutch attitude. Arrogant, capitalist with no sense of what money really means to some people. Collecting over thousands of euro's is a kid's hobby and those stupid poor Polish people shouldn't disrupt their fun. LL is the typical dutch alternative-looking festival. It look alternative and all the alternative people go there, but in reality it's a commerce-fest for spoiled rich kids,students and yuppies who feel they are kind-of-leftish. Hasn't Holland shown everyone in Europe that we are no longer (if we ever were) the free-thinking tolerant country everyone hopes us to be by electing VVD, CDA, PVV en PvdA massively????!!! Kraakverbod? Kicking out illegal immigrants en masse. Locking up family's in detention centres. camera's everywhere. ID-controle. OV-chipcard. Police with unrestricted acces to all the information they want. Etc. Don't be so surprised that LL kicked you out!! That is capitalism at work. No amount of greenwashing or propaganda is going to change that. Please stop acting so surprised and offended. Be glad you aren't seen as part of the system. Otherwise you would be considered cheap slave labor with no guide-lines on working conditions. And whileyou are at it. Don't go to University. There you are brainwashed into a "productive" member of society. Let's all please do it truely outside the system. DIY all the way. I hope the guy will come out of jail soon. And I hope the security guys will in the future get into trouble with some group of hooligans somewhere and get what they deserve. And I hope capitalism will really crash so Yuppie-fests like LL can die out. Or at least that festivals will force people to bring their own cups. Or they get one cup a day or something like that. At least.

shocked

nn - 23.08.2010 07:38 @NNNN im very aware of those things u wrote, but i will be shocked everytime time things like this happen. my question is , how can you be not shocked everytime things like this happen? where do you take the power from to fight those things without anger and without being shocked? are you still alive or you just pretend to be so cool ? or maybe you lost all your feelings in the continuing struggle and just act like an robot? im happy i still can be shocked about things like this and that im not immune against it.